Copperplate / Gothic No 1&2

Look for help with this type. Currently labeled as Gothic 1 & 2, had some clippings in the case, but nothing with a name just these numbers. The type on the left side has two nicks, the type on the right has one nick (doesn’t this usually mean different manufacturers?) When printed this looks like copperplate and copperplate as a small captions option (right and left sides have different nicks but are the same point size at 12pt). Do these K2235 numbers (as photographed) mean anything to anyone to help correctly identify this type? Was there a manufacture who made Copperplate but called it gothic? Thank you for your help!

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That’s ATF 12 point 25 and 12 point 26. They have different nicks to differentiate the sizes (there are four). All eight series in twelve point have similar patterns, but in different orders, so that if the comp picks up a piece of type of a size and the pattern isn’t the same, he (or she) will realize that it is a wrong font. This was done in all cap and small cap faces. The only time that the nick(s) might not be identical would be if the particular mold, on very old type, had worn out and been discarded as part of ATF’s simplification process.
Just keep printing!

If this is a real job rather than a sample setting, you’ll need to correct the spelling of ‘sandwich’!

For our UK readers: Stephensons Blake’s similar face
‘Spartan” in the same way came in two face sizes for each point size with distinguishing nicks. Monotypes close copy series 141 in both 6 and 12 point each had FOUR face sizes on each body size!. Much second hand type of this face offered for sale is in a shocking muddle, very hard to sort out.

To add to the discussion, look at this post:

Also take a look at the following pages from the 1923 ATF specimen book: